460 buildup

blazeracer

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Duanehydro said:
excuse my fomoco ingnorance, but didn't you say you were gonna run fms scj heads?

Yup, $799 a piece from Jegs complete and ready to run. Gotta get pushrods to match, the stock ones won't work with those heads.
 

duanehydro

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ummm... the valve angle is different? think.gif
Those pistons will NOT work with scj heads without re-notching the valve reliefs.....
 

blazeracer

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Duanehydro said:
ummm... the valve angle is different? think.gif
Those pistons will NOT work with scj heads without re-notching the valve reliefs.....

This I know.... That's fairly common knowledge among Ford guys. That's why these heads ROCK!! The valves are unshrouded. With the L2404's a small amount of work is needed, compared to a set of flat tops, which need need a ton of work to work. Deck hieght has a lot to do with it also, how much needs to be fly cut. Belive me, it will be done right, these pistons will work very well with the heads.
 

Crusader

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James is a true and BLUE Ford Convert....he's the guy that used to be a Bowtie all the way.....until now.

James, I'm glad you've seen the light and realize how great the Blue Oval really is.

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blazeracer

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I wouldn't quite go that far.. If I were building a hotrod tomorrow it would be a 59 Belair with an LSX motor. I do think that Ford designed three really good motors.

The 7.3 Powerstroke turbo diesel that's in my truck..
The 429/460 that's in my boat of which millions were made and are just as affordable as a big Chevy to build.
And the old 90's 5.0 that could push a Fox body Mustang deep into the 12's with bolt ons.

Ford's set back has always been that they have so many different motor designs of which none of the parts are interchangable. That makes it very expensive to build one. Not that the motors are bad, it'll just cost you to make a lot of power. Then again, the same thing could be said for GM motors that aren't Chevy.

With all that said, I do really like the 460. I can see why four bolt blocks are very rare. The two bolts used on the main are enormous compard to Chevy bolts. No way they're ever coming apart. Same goes for the head bolts too. The block is a lot beefier also. But the best thing is that big bore short stroke. 460's are meant to rev..
 

Last Mohecian

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blazeracer said:
I wouldn't quite go that far.. If I were building a hotrod tomorrow it would be a 59 Belair with an LSX motor. I do think that Ford designed three really good motors.

The 7.3 Powerstroke turbo diesel that's in my truck..
The 429/460 that's in my boat of which millions were made and are just as affordable as a big Chevy to build.
And the old 90's 5.0 that could push a Fox body Mustang deep into the 12's with bolt ons.

Ford's set back has always been that they have so many different motor designs of which none of the parts are interchangable. That makes it very expensive to build one. Not that the motors are bad, it'll just cost you to make a lot of power. Then again, the same thing could be said for GM motors that aren't Chevy.

With all that said, I do really like the 460. I can see why four bolt blocks are very rare. The two bolts used on the main are enormous compard to Chevy bolts. No way they're ever coming apart. Same goes for the head bolts too. The block is a lot beefier also. But the best thing is that bog bore short stroke. 460's are meant to rev..

Oh Snap!  LOL.  I agree with James completely....  well almost.  Even though the 429/460 is a great platform, I still prefer BBC over BBF.  To each his own I guess.
 

blazeracer

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Last Mohican said:
Oh Snap!  LOL.  I agree with James completely....  well almost.  Even though the 429/460 is a great platform, I still prefer BBC over BBF.  To each his own I guess.

Believe  me Matt, if my Glastron came with a BBC, I'd be building one of those. If it came with an Olds, I would be converting and it would probably be to an LSX.
 

Last Mohecian

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blazeracer said:
Last Mohican said:
Oh Snap!  LOL.  I agree with James completely....  well almost.  Even though the 429/460 is a great platform, I still prefer BBC over BBF.  To each his own I guess.

Believe  me Matt, if my Glastron came with a BBC, I'd be building one of those. If it came with an Olds, I would be converting and it would probably be to an LSX.

I hear ya.
 

Last Mohecian

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When the Pontiac gives up the ghost I'll have a tough decision to make.  It will be expensive to replace it with another Pontiac but I've kinda made myself at home in this corner I backed into.  :laugh:

I will probably go LSX.  I guess that is kinda staying true to the original.  My 01 Pontiac TransAm WS6 did have an LSX in it.  Even though it is a corporate motor it still came with a Pontiac badge. 
 

Crusader

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blazeracer said:
Believe  me Matt, if my Glastron came with a BBC, I'd be building one of those. If it came with an Olds, I would be converting and it would probably be to an LSX.

To be honest, if the Crusader came with a BBC....I'd be a Bowtie fan too....even though EVERY Chevy I've owned ws a POS.....Corvette and S-10. My Fords have always been great vehicles...

But...I'm with ya.


 

neverenuf

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blazeracer said:
Duanehydro said:
ummm... the valve angle is different? think.gif
Those pistons will NOT work with scj heads without re-notching the valve reliefs.....

This I know.... That's fairly common knowledge among Ford guys. That's why these heads ROCK!! The valves are unshrouded. With the L2404's a small amount of work is needed, compared to a set of flat tops, which need need a ton of work to work. Deck hieght has a lot to do with it also, how much needs to be fly cut. Belive me, it will be done right, these pistons will work very well with the heads.

You should get those forged slugs down to your machine shop so they can set the cyl wall clearences......they like a little more room to expand....cast slugs run a little less wall clearence.
 

blazeracer

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My S10 had a small block 350 and it was awesome. At the same time I had Mustang GT with a 5.0 and it was awesome also. Like Matt, I've back myself into the Ford corner with the 460 my Glastron came with and I'm OK with that because it's a pretty good motor.

So it is what it is.. We can keep the jabs coming!!

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blazeracer

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neverenuf said:
You should get those forged slugs down to your machine shop so they can set the cyl wall clearences......they like a little more room to expand....cast slugs run a little less wall clearence.

Hopefully I can get the block and pistons down there today on my lunch break.
 

blazeracer

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The block is now at Blaine's. $250 for everything. Hot tank, check the block for cracks, bore the cylinders to my forged pistons, align hone the crank journals, install cam bearing and brass freeze plugs, paint it Ford blue when it's done. It'll be done on Monday.
 

blazeracer

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Before I took the block in I decided to knock out the old freeze plugs real quick.. Looky looky at all the sand!! I'm sure some if from Pebble Beach and Collin Park, but there were many colors of dirt in there, probably from YEARS of beaching the beast. Now you know, PUSH OFF THE BEACH BEFORE STARTING THE MOTOR!!

Of course it's a Ford so it doesn't care that there were four pounds of dirt in there. Probably worked like hard block and made it stronger.. LOL
 

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Crusader

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Man, that just shows you how tough those 460's are...

Thats a lot of sand...wow. I don't like beaching mine for that exact reason...getting sand in the block.

 

EOSpeed

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IT THE JET PUMP THAT YOU ARE KILLING. DID YOU TELL THEM YOU WANTED BRASS PLUGS IN THE BLOCK? SOME TIMES I DONT.
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