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I tried to start my motor in the boat last night for some friends and the starter didnt engage it just made a horrible sound so i started checking to make sure the starter didnt come loose and found that i have a big a$$ crack in the bell housing where the starter bolts up making the starter hang down a little. i can have it welded but would rather change it out. Its the regular 4 point style not the plate style and it has front mount starter. :smile15: