Cracked Block

Last Mohecian

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I know when it happened.  It was about 5 years ago when it sat outside all winter without being winterized.  I haven't even been to the lake with the new headers yet.

Ugh.  :smile18:

Anyone know a machine shop that does good lock and stitch work around DFW?



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Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmmVNDgwYZM
 

jdeaton

New member
You are right about J B Weld. It can repair that crack and you could get years of use from this motor.  I would buy the pressure relief system (EBay) to insure I didn't get pressure behind it greater than 15 PSI.  I bought mine from Tom at Performance.
 

Crusader

Moderator
When Donnie pulled Dons motors out of his sleekcraft last weekend, they found the block was cracked and repaired with JB weld. Well the JB weld failed, all the oil leaked out and his motor went to hell.

JB weld is a good temp fix but Matt has the right idea. Do it right the first time, everytime and you'll never have a problem with it again.
 

Last Mohecian

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Crusader said:
When Donnie pulled Dons motors out of his sleekcraft last weekend, they found the block was cracked and repaired with JB weld. Well the JB weld failed, all the oil leaked out and his motor went to hell.

JB weld is a good temp fix but Matt has the right idea. Do it right the first time, everytime and you'll never have a problem with it again.

I could see JB weld working for water but I would never use it on a crack that was into an oil passage.  The oil passages are under much higher pressure than the water passages.

The more I research this lock and stitch method the more I think it is something I can do myself.  It will either be that or JB weld.  I am going to call this place Monday and see what I can learn.  http://www.locknstitch.com/

Here is a little more info on lock and stitch.  There is photos of an actual block repair towards the bottom.  Looks pretty straight forward.
http://www.r-f.com/lock_n_stitch_repair.asp
 

Last Mohecian

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neverenuf said:
Yup, With a drip that small JB weld that puppy and call it good.

So how would you prep it for JB Weld?  I'm guessing stop drill the ends of the crack, clean it up good with a wire wheel and some acetone then apply the JB weld.
 

Last Mohecian

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After watching this, I'm stitching this myself as long as the jig is not too expensive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq0wfU4ZaKk&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
 

Crusader

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He pulled the motor Friday night. You're right, the lock and stitch method does look to be a permenant fix.
 

jdeaton

New member
In this case, I don't see a need to stop drill the end of the crack.  The cause of the crack was pressure placed on the metal from freezing.  Since that pressure will not be an issue, unless you leave the boat in freezing conditions, the only pressure will be from less than 15 PSI of water pressure, if you use the pressure relief valve.  If you use a gate valve you can still pinch off the water to reduce the pressure in the block.  I would still go with J B Weld or a similar substance.  If you already have the block out, it can be welded.  The key here is to preheat the area, before welding.  I usually have my torch set up on the weld area, get it bright orange, leave the heat on it, and weld it up.  This minimizes the heat affected zone of the weld and is a permanent fix, until the block freezes again. 

I agree with Cliff about using JB Weld on an crack in an oil passage, but I have used JB Weld on a high perssure air conditioner line in an old Toyota truck and it was still holding three years later when I sold the truck.

Well, you have my 2 cents, hope everything works, see you on the water.
 

Last Mohecian

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Thanks for the insight Jim.  I talked to David yesterday too.  He has repaired a couple of blocks with JB Weld.  It weems to be an even more common fix for tractors.  I am sure the JB Weld fix would be sufficient.  That being said, I am still curious about this lock and stitch method.  Warm weather is far enough off that I have time.  If the kit is not too expensive, it would be a good opportunity to learn something new.

If the stitch kit is too expensive I will be doing the JB Weld fix.  If the stitch kit is affordable, I'll give it a shot.  They are only open M-F so I'll give them a call Monday and see what I find out.

James,
Like Cliff already said, I pulled the motor Friday night to fix an oil leak.
 

Last Mohecian

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OMG.  Cliff has doomed up to eternal winter with his title "Waiting for spring to show up!!".  There is no doubt I have time to stitch it now.  Don't you know a watch pot never boils???? 
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Crusader

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Last Mohican said:
OMG.  Cliff has doomed up to eternal winter with his title "Waiting for spring to show up!!".  There is no doubt I have time to stitch it now.  Don't you know a watch pot never boils???? 
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Haha. The weather forecast for next Sunday is 65 with winds at 7mph. Of course that'll probably change but I'm planning on putting the crusader in the lake on Sunday!!!
 

Wild Hair

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I wouldent just JB weld it. If the lock and stitch is too pricy I would drill and tap, and JB CAST pipe plugs along the crack letting each plug lock the last on in. The only plug not locked is the last one and you can brad the threads a little to lock it in. I have seen this work several times. Its a quick cheap fix but if done wright it will last. Make sure you get all the crack drilled out on both ends.
 

Last Mohecian

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Wild Hair said:
I wouldent just JB weld it. If the lock and stitch is too pricy I would drill and tap, and JB CAST pipe plugs along the crack letting each plug lock the last on in. The only plug not locked is the last one and you can brad the threads a little to lock it in. I have seen this work several times. Its a quick cheap fix but if done wright it will last. Make sure you get all the crack drilled out on both ends.

That is real similar to the lock and stitch method minus the locks.  Another good alternative.  Thanks WH.
 

blazeracer

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Crusader said:
Haha. The weather forecast for next Sunday is 65 with winds at 7mph. Of course that'll probably change but I'm planning on putting the crusader in the lake on Sunday!!!

You are for sure bringing on one more blast of winter weather Cliff.. LOL
 

Last Mohecian

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neverenuf said:
here ya go Matt..........http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/pts/2237616860.html

LOL.  Don't even want to start down that path.  If I have to build an engine I'm building an LSX.
 
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